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Taylor Futrell: Just the Facts

Facts are facts and, after some digging around, we’ve finally got all the facts on the fiasco that currently surrounds North Carolina’s Taylor Futrell. Yesterday evening we posted a current event that stated that Futrell was disqualified from the 250A class at the Southeast Loretta Lynn Regional hosted at Mill Creek. That was a fact. We also stated that rumor had it that he was running a 310cc motor. While rumors were floating around at the time that he was running a 310cc motor, it was not fact. Following a conversation early Monday morning with Larry Dukes, the technician hired to tear down over seven motors at the event, we found out that Futrell had not, in fact, been using a 310cc motor, but rather a 255cc motor.

So what did we learn from all of this? First, there are more rumors floating around the pits of a motocross race then in the high school girl’s locker room. Second, despite being off on the cc count, the fact still remains that Futrell was caught with an illegal motor and was disqualified from the event.

To get the real truth it is important to explore multiple sides of the story. With this in mind we contacted Larry Dukes – the tech in charge of inspecting the bikes, Chris and Taylor Futrell – the participants caught using an illegal motor, and Derek Rogers - one of the seven other riders who was randomly selected to have his bike torn down at the event.

Following are three short interviews that will without doubt shed some light on the AMA inspection calamity from Mill Creek last weekend.

Enter Larry Dukes:

Mr. Dukes, I assume you probably know why I’m calling you. I am trying to track down some facts on what happened this weekend.

At Mill Creek?

Yes, sir!

I was hired by the promoter and the AMA Referee to run the tear downs. They chose the bikes. I think we checked a total of seven bikes. Two or three in the B class and the rest in the A class. All we were to do was to check the bore and the stroke and one of the bikes checked was out of stroke, there was a stroked crank in it.

And that was Taylor Futrell’s bike, correct?

Yes, that is correct. We measured it probably 12 times to make sure that we weren’t missing anything. I did three or four measurements on it myself and then I had another guy helping me, Tony Cantrell, Leah Cantrell’s dad. I would measure, and I knew what my numbers were, then I wouldn’t say anything to him as to what my numbers were, and I would have him measure and he was coming up with the same numbers I was. The stock stroke on the CRF 250 Honda is a 52.2mm and we had already previously checked two other CRF 250s and they were measuring consistently where they were supposed to be. And this one [Taylor Futrell’s] was measuring more than that.

Can you give me an exact measurement?

What we were using was a slide caliper there in the field, which that’s not the most precise instrument, per say, and that’s what I discussed with Mr. Futrell. But, it was consistently measuring in the 53mm plus stroke range. So, per our calculations, the motor was reading in at about 255cc’s.

While the tool may not have been the most accurate tool, the other bikes were measuring to spec, correct?

Exactly, and that’s exactly what I said to him [Mr. Futrell]. While I’m not arguing the point that this isn’t the most precise tool to measure with, I mean, it was a precision visual caliper, but I’ve been in this business long enough that I know for a fact, and am 100% certain that the bike was out of spec. I’ve been in the business for nearly 30 years. I have a performance shop and all I do is race bikes. My son is Shawn Dukes and went all the way to the pro ranks at one time. I’ve done work for Ezra Lusk, Matt Walker and Jase Lewis, so I’ve been in it a long time.

And what is the name of your company?

LSD Racing

Who was in charge of choosing which bikes were to be torn down?

Tony Morris, the AMA official.

I appreciate your time.

Thank you


Enter Chris Futrell (Taylor’s father):

VM: Chris, first off I would like to apologize on behalf of Vurb for posting the rumor that Taylor was running a 310cc motor. It was a rumor we heard at the time, and while we did state that is was only rumor, after finding out more facts we have come to find out that it was not a 310cc motor, but rather closer to a 255cc motor. What we are trying to do now is make good on our original statement and find out the facts. Regardless of the original cc discrepancy, there was still a disqualification this weekend.

Chris Futrell: You have to understand why we were upset about what was said. For it to come out that we were running a 310cc or 312cc motor is just ridiculous. First of all, I’m not saying anything bad about Tony [Morris, the AMA official in charge of Mill Creek]. Tony is a great guy. I’ve known him for a long time. And the McWilliams put on a class act as far as promoting the race and having an event. My only issue was that there is a better way to spec a motor than with a set of hand calipers, and Mr. Dukes will tell you that too. They made their determination and we accept that. It is what it is. But if our competitors think that 4.8 cc’s beat them this weekend, they are mistaken.

VM: Mr. Dukes agreed that the tool that was used to run the test may not have been the most accurate tool, but he also agreed that of the seven bikes that were tested six of them came out to spec.

Chris Futrell: This is my statement and this is after talking to my motor man. We run a stock crank and a stock piston. We’re going to send the motor back and we’re going to have our own inspection. If we’re wrong, then we’ll correct that. I do want to apologize to our sponsors and the people that help us. I want to issue and apology for all of this stuff.

VM: So what was the final call?

Chris Futrell: The final call was they disqualified us from the 250A class. Our bike speced at 254.8cc.

 

Enter Taylor Futrell:

VM: Taylor, I just wanted to you to know that we will be publishing a story on this as soon as all the details get put together. Despite what was said earlier on our site about the motor being 310cc, we do want to publish the truth about the situation.

Taylor Futrell: Well, that’s all that we ask. This is kind of a serious thing and whatever the story was I just don’t want it to be the right story.

VM: I’ve spoken with Mr. Dukes and with your father, so we really don’t need to go into any more detail, but just wanted you to know that a full story will be going up on the issue.

Taylor Futrell: I completely understand. You guys have always been good to me. The plan now is to just go home and regroup and come back strong and ready to go.

VM: Seeing as you are on the final stretch of your amateur career, do you find yourself focusing more on your debut at Budds Creek rather than trying to focus too much on this?

Taylor Futrell: That’s the thing. I don’t care about what everybody else thinks or if I get disqualified for that one class. This is just a very critical time right now. I just want to make sure we keep the story straight and move forward from here.

Next up on the list of contacts was Derek Rogers. We decided to contact one of the other riders who randomly had their bike inspected to get their take on the weekends events.

Enter Derek Rogers:

Derek, can you give us your take on the bike inspection debacle from this weekend?

The whole deal this weekend was random from what I heard. I even heard I was getting torn down before the moto even started. I knew it was coming, I think we needed it and it should most definitely be done more often.

What are your feelings on other riders who may not have been at Mill Creek using illegal motors?

I'm sure there are more riders that are cheating and when one person gets in trouble and they do nothing about it, they (the AMA) are pretty much saying its okay for everyone else to do the same. As riders we put so much into this sport and no matter how hard we try and how fast we try to go, who ever is cheating is going to have more power, so really we're just wasting our time trying to beat somebody.

So there you have it, straight from the top. In addition to speaking with Larry Dukes, Chris and Taylor Futrell and Derek Rogers, we also attempted to contact the man in charge of building Taylor’s motors, Fred Vertucci of VME Racing, but did not receive a response by deadline.

ARTICLE COMMENTS
Cooper67 : Jun 01 @ 4:30 p.m.
oh man this is gonna set a strange mood for the rest of the regionals- especially in the A classes. I expect to see more talk of protests at the regionals like Red Bud and Washougal because A is so stacked.
Dirtbikerider : Jun 01 @ 4:48 p.m.
excuses, excuses excuses....
Prat26 : Jun 01 @ 5:08 p.m.
I think its a bunch of crap the Futrells bike got torn down and they don't even know what the exact stroke the crank is. How are they gonna DQ him from a regional by what a rinky dink slide caliper says? I think if they are gonna start tearing bikes down left and right they should start breathilizing and making riders drug test too so Futrell can go out on a 1996 CR125 and win cause half the riders wouldn't pass the tests.
Motomoe : Jun 01 @ 5:09 p.m.
Like they say, "it's not cheating, till you get caught"..............BUSTED. Atta boy to all you guy's who follow the rules, no matter how tempting it is to not.
Camp332 : Jun 01 @ 5:09 p.m.
Damn! Vertucci getting blasted under the bus here.
Madparent : Jun 01 @ 5:21 p.m.
As the parent of an A rider affected directly by this CHEATER - I thought I was about as upset as I could get until I read Mr. Futrell's comments on the situation. For him to for one second believe we are all stupid enough to believe that this "minor infraction" he speaks of was an oversight on his motor builders part infuriates me. He neglects to mention the comments several of us overheard directly from the officials doing the measuring yesterday of the other infractions in this motor they were forced to overlook because they were told to measure stroke and bore only. Put these "other" things with the illegal crank rod (yes Mr. Futrell, we know the crank can be stock - its the rod that's not!!!!!) and you have the difference in my "legal" son making it to Lorettas or not. Do not think that there are not several of us also who have photographic evidence that your son did not ride the same 250F on Sunday as he did on Saturday once he learned of the impending tear-downs. Sad that you didn't even have a legal bike in the trailer - you had to go with the one you thought would be the closest! I will put it to rest with one final comment: Be prepared, Mr. Futrell, you WILL be torn down at every race you enter between now and through Lorettas - that is the promise I am making to my own son. I WILL protest every aspect no matter what the cost - and if you are found legal, I will rejoice in the fact that justice is served and we will watch Taylor's true ability shine through - and I will go home happy and will STILL protest you again the next weekend. From now thru Loretta's - it is my PROMISE!
Hookem22 : Jun 01 @ 5:37 p.m.
Well come on, madparent. You're hiding behind a screen name already, so let's hear the other infractions....It's ok! Just give us "your opinion" on what the "other" infractions are. Not telling you to interpret the officials word.
Childers08 : Jun 01 @ 5:48 p.m.
that is a bit ridiculous. taylor has been hauling all year long, and will continue through the pro ranks. no one knows the truth other than taylor, his dad, and the engine builder. it could of been a mistake, or it could of been something else. who knows, not us.
Ncproaction : Jun 01 @ 6:01 p.m.
Im just here to say Taylor Futrell is one of the baddest A riders in the world!!! He works harder then any one I have ever seen!!! And all this is going to do is, make him train even harder so I hope that all you A riders are prepared because ya'll are about to get waxed! Oh yeah and 5cc isn't anything either! So you can't take anything away from the kid! Fizzle your still the man noo matter what poeple have to say about you! Goodluck at Lorettas I know you can do it.
Mx188Y : Jun 01 @ 6:23 p.m.
mad parent is a meatball, if there kid was really affected by this then they wouldnt have to be protesting taylor, seeing as if he is that close in speed he should be able to beat taylor if the measley 4.8cc did make that big of a difference, and just for the record the only one to beat him all year overall has been Wilson....... come on now meatball, grow up
Daracer : Jun 01 @ 6:24 p.m.
This Mad Parent story is a repeat of what we've witnessed for years in all the class's,over a 12 year period,really hard to tell your kid to go faster and then when you roll up to the main some of these extra fast kids show up on a totally different nice new shiny mod bike and act like it's the norm. Been there and seen it already this year. And when you say something about whats going on your treated or looked at like a trouble causer,go figure,no wonder it's so hard to get the good rides !
Ncproaction : Jun 01 @ 6:46 p.m.
I would like to say that my son's comment about 5cc is not true, it is still considered cheating. I would also like to agree that Taylor is one of the hardest working and finest young men I know. Taylor is as honest as the day is long. I watched him race a bunch of 250 two strokes this weekend too. There is a 10 to 12 horsepower difference straight out of the box, he out rode them. Taylor is good rider and an even better person. I look to see him up front at Loretta's and now in the impound area tore down every moto. Keep up the good work.
Hillbilly : Jun 01 @ 7:17 p.m.
Just like to know how long this has been going on? How much money he has cheated everyone out of? What about the 450 we all know how slow the honda is???????????????????
Rolled67 : Jun 01 @ 7:31 p.m.
GET OVER IT...
Mxrider85 : Jun 01 @ 7:35 p.m.
Hey, hillbilly and madparent. How about you guys and anyone else who has a problem with Futrell go ahead and start fronting the money and protest him every race, because anyone who knows him knows that he is one of the most honest, genuine guys you will ever meet.I'm almost positive it was a simple mistake, not to mention the proper tools weren't even available to begin with.. I think if they are going to protest they should start protesting all the top 5 finishes. And i'm pretty sure you'll have your hands full then, so before you all go and start pointing your fingers and trying to down Futrell make sure you know what the heck you're talking about.
Dgizzy : Jun 01 @ 7:43 p.m.
Dude you can say all you want. Truth is you put the guys on same bike Futrell will still beat them may be by not as much secs but he will still win so just save yourself the extra work.
Onthagas10 : Jun 01 @ 7:44 p.m.
I've known fizzle for a while now and know that hes one of the most honest guys there is always going by the book. He knows he goes by the book thats why he trains so hard, harder than anyone i know. He's there every weekend to win and he pulls it out 99.9% of the time like they said the only guy to beat him all year has been D. Wilson and don't get me wrong there are some guys out there that have the speed but there not as consistent as Futrell is...
Madparent : Jun 01 @ 7:58 p.m.
Just curious if smoking crack is required before posting on this??? Could you guys please re-read Mr. Duke's comments above: he said, and I repeat: we checked seven bikes and one had a stroked crank in it - the one belonging to Taylor Futrell. So "one of the most honest guys out there" and who is "always going by the book" forgot to read the part in the AMA rulebook that says "must retain the original manufacturer's bore and stroke?" Come on people - he got caught - admit it is what it is and lets move on - if this causes him to ride legal from now on - fantastic - lets let the riding speak for itself. I don't doubt at all that he can rise to that challenge on his own without cheating.
Me : Jun 01 @ 8:12 p.m.
TOP 5 FINISHES IDIOT.. How about you let it go, you're the only one bitching about this. Futrell is a good rider, one of the best in his class.
Daracer : Jun 01 @ 8:36 p.m.
Stock factory try outs on stock bikes,lets go Boy's ! some of these racers have'nt rode a stock motor or suspension for years,let a lone at a A class qualifier.
Totallystock : Jun 01 @ 8:38 p.m.
just wondering those of you who think that 5cc didnt effect the race out come then why would MR.futrell effect his sons race career by cheating if he felt that he could win on a legal bike.He cant tell any one that he didnt no it was an ilegal motor he has been racing long enough to no if your cheating or not.So it sounds like to me he needs to start training harder because he isnt gonna be able to cheat anymore.
Janedoe : Jun 01 @ 8:44 p.m.
I agree 100% with Madparent. I also agree with Ncproaction. Cheating is cheating. If I am not mistaken stroking a four stroke also adds a lot of torque. I agree Taylor is a good rider however he is not any better than many of the other A class riders that do not cheat. Ncproaction no one is saying Taylor does not work hard but how do you know that the other A class riders do not work just as hard. Childers08 I agree with you also. Taylor has been hauling all year long but has he been legal. However I must disagree with you when he gets to the pro ranks he will not be allowed to cheat. I am in favor of top 3 tear downs everywhere in the A class. Madparent if you need financial assistance in your protest let me know.
Totallystock : Jun 01 @ 8:44 p.m.
Whos cheatin Who Every where you look you can find a crook they will be working on there motor in the van But you cannot impose cause everybody knows that they sell big bores acrossed the land. Still you wander whos cheatin who who's bein true and who dont even care anymore it makes you wander who's doing right to their bike and whos all running a big bore. I thought i new him well his name was Futrell and he had a bigger motor than mine see i got the jump on the starting line and then his bike flew right on by. Still you wander who's cheatin who who's bein true and who dont even care anymore it makes you wander whos doin right to their bike and whos all running a big bore. They bring that bike to the line every other time and they no that there not doing right We've known it all along that there stroke was wrong and were gonna call them out tonight.
Hillbilly : Jun 01 @ 8:55 p.m.
I think we all should run a BIG BORE, because AMA is just going to slap us on the hands. It would save alot of time in the shop trying to get the bikes turned right.
Hillbilly : Jun 01 @ 8:59 p.m.
and i was just wondering how we are going to stop 700 from jumpimg the gate ????????????????????
Berrier183 : Jun 01 @ 9:06 p.m.
any one on here saying they could run with futrell is sadly mistakin. theres only about 5 or 6 A riders even close to his speed, but if it makes you feel better to say he only beat me because he cheated then go right on, everyone already knows you suck comapared to him.
Mitchpriehs : Jun 01 @ 9:07 p.m.
This whole episode reminds me of the Clinton- Lewenski scandal back in the day. Its just cheatin a little, right? So it dont matter!! Give me a freakin break! I agree with Madparent and Janedoe. Bottom line- cheating is cheating!! I will tell you this.. Taylor is a great rider, and doesnt need to cheat to be a podium guy. But after watchin the Winter ams in Fl. this year, and watchin those bikes pull, I had very strong suspicions about their legality. I hope that this trend of teardowns continue, because nothing kills a good riders confidence more than not beig able to play on a level field. Its time to keep the field level from now on.
Mulisha00 : Jun 01 @ 9:11 p.m.
To all you pit dad's blasting Taylor and his dad, did any of your son's have a chance of beating him? I doubt it. I ask you this? What stroke does your son's bike have? Bet you don't know and I doubt that Taylor or his Dad checked the stroke on that motor. At his level you ride what your given. De-stroke him 2mm and he will still kick your kids A$$. Keep your head up Taylor.
Bdog : Jun 01 @ 9:11 p.m.
Now I know why he pulled such big holeshots on Les Smith's PC bike at a couple local races this year!!! Thought it was strange as PC builds the best 250 F's in the business.
Janedoe : Jun 01 @ 9:11 p.m.
Berrier183 - Did you wonder why others were not as fast as him. Maybe it is because he is cheating.
Totallystock : Jun 01 @ 9:20 p.m.
To Mulisaa HOOOOO your right taylor is a good rider he prolly could have been on the podium with a legal bike but he was cheating and still didnt win every moto so check your facts out...and if you believe your motor builder is sending you and illegal motor then you should find another motor builder and yes he should no what he is running we are in the A class not the begginer class and im sure he has a mechanic that knows how to change a piston so he should deffinately no what he is running
Mitchpriehs : Jun 01 @ 9:26 p.m.
Totallystock, You tell it like you smell it,brother!!!!!!!
Me : Jun 01 @ 9:34 p.m.
You guys are worse than high school kids.. Grow up, seriously. If any of you dumbasses knew what you were talking about, it would be a different story. I agree with Mulisha00, I bet half of you don't even know what you're looking at. JUST DROP IT, if you wanna protest Futrell just do it and stop whining about it like little girls. He's a good rider and will continue to make his way up to the top and if you losers wanna give him a hard time with it thats cool, i'm sure that's only gonna make him train harder and ride faster. IT IS WHAT IT IS, so get over it and take it for what it really is and stop searching for something that isn't there. Now you guys are just making stuff up and trying to make it sound like it was such a huge difference, it was BARELY off and was a mistake. And for those few individuals who were supposedly Futrell's friend and then turned around the second you weren't in his face to talk your crap, just remember what goes around comes around.. GET OVER IT.
Drew216 : Jun 01 @ 9:36 p.m.
I was at the regional and Futrell hadnt really checked out on Trettel, Engle, or Smith. Idk what the huge deal is with this??? Trettel, Engle, and Smith, along with many other of the good A class guys made it anyways so why bother?
Janedoe : Jun 01 @ 9:41 p.m.
Me and Drew216 - I do not know if you guys ride the A class or not. But to those that do this is a big deal. The A class is the next step to the Pro level. A lot of guys need the money you make in this class to keep racing. If you guys think we are acting like a lot of high school kids then why do you keep chirping in. That would also make you one of us.
Tklingon : Jun 01 @ 9:54 p.m.
The rules are stated clearly, the AMA chose an official to conduct tests on the bikes, the results are posted, the offending rider has been disqualified. One of the qualities of sportsmanship is abiding by the rules and respecting the decisions made by the officials. I support the AMA and their decision to disqualify Taylor based on their findings. To do otherwise shows disrespect for the authority of the governing body and sends the wrong signal to the kids who partipate in this sport.
Janedoe : Jun 01 @ 9:56 p.m.
Thank you Tklingon. That is the best statement I have read on here all night.
Berrier183 : Jun 01 @ 10:07 p.m.
jane doe whether taylor were to get 2nd or 3rd it probably wouldnt affect the money that you kid is getting..odds are his speed isnt even close to taylor..and if you really think his speed comes from cheating..then i guess you dont recognize talent when you see it. its obvious that taylor is fast a few parts in the motor doesnt make taylor fast or slow
Totallystock : Jun 01 @ 10:16 p.m.
to berrier183 you obviously dont no anything about motocross and if you do or if you race your self your probably a cheater as well because if you think a few illegal parts in the motor deosnt help you it doesnt say run what you brung we have a cc displacement to make it fair for everyone. so you need to be quiet and quit posting because you havnt said anything that has made sense all night.
Bdog : Jun 01 @ 10:17 p.m.
but it does pull holeshots which is HUGE when all the riders are so close in speed.
Janedoe : Jun 01 @ 10:17 p.m.
berrier183 if he has so much talent why does he cheat
Motomoe : Jun 01 @ 10:20 p.m.
It is what it is...but it's no mistake, and i do know what i'm talking about. They may not have known, but his motor guy sure did. All in all this will be good for everyone. Taylor will train harder, and everyone chasing him will also. The rules worked, and that's good for everyone involved.....except maybe a "motor builder". Isn't this getting so NASCAR...late
Berrier183 : Jun 01 @ 10:21 p.m.
wow dude really? i can promise you that if you and taylor switched bikes he would still kick your ass. quit being bitter about it..what about factory teams that have been caught cheating..are you as fast as them too? i didnt say it doesnt help, but did he really need the help to beat you?
Janedoe : Jun 01 @ 10:24 p.m.
berrier183 guess he thought so
Sskutnik : Jun 01 @ 10:25 p.m.
sounds like madparent needs to open up a can of woop ass on her son to get him faster. she is hostile over taylor beating her kid...that's the real problem! Taylor's time is coming and he will be a top Pro soon. He has been so overlooked by some big teams but probably for the better he has matured and the kid is as tough as nails. Taylor , his dad , mechanic, family put 110% into this sport everyday! The big teams are crazy if they don't give Taylor a honest chance soon...just wait till he gets on the best bikes money can buy! Later madparent your kid is really gonna get smoked....save your money on the protest lady and feed the hungry instead....you must have money to burn!
Bdog : Jun 01 @ 10:28 p.m.
I think this incident is gonna seriously hurt his ride prospects. Gonna give him a label regardless if it is true or not. Unfortunate.
Berrier183 : Jun 01 @ 10:29 p.m.
janedoe or he didnt even know..motor guys dont always tell everyone what they putting in motors. and before you say he is still responsible for it, well thats obvious he got DQ for it. and handled it professionally
Mxrider85 : Jun 01 @ 10:38 p.m.
Janedoe, you're just pissed because your son obviously can't beat Futrell anyways. Hey, i hear he has some pretty sick training down at his house. Send your kid and maybe he'll learn a little somethin'.
Janedoe : Jun 01 @ 10:40 p.m.
mxrider85 thanks but we just need his motorbuilders number
Berrier183 : Jun 01 @ 10:43 p.m.
janedoe so you wanna cheat now??
Janedoe : Jun 01 @ 10:46 p.m.
berrier183 you said a few fast parts does not make a difference
Mxrider85 : Jun 01 @ 10:47 p.m.
And Bdog, i think you should stick to what you know which is obviously nothing to do with motocross. Or maybe you're just stuck up Les Smith's ass or something, MAYBE just maybe THAT'S where you get all your ridiculous opinions from. Who knows, but seriously this entire fiasco is getting old now so how about you crazy people just let it go and just wait and see what happens..
Berrier183 : Jun 01 @ 10:51 p.m.
again i never said it doesnt make a difference..but it probably wouldnt make a difference in your case..and why cant you use your real name. are you embarassed that your talking crap about a kid who goes out and gives it everything he has everyday
Mxrider85 : Jun 01 @ 10:53 p.m.
Yeah Janedoe, i agree with berrier183.
Curt3606 : Jun 02 @ 1:49 a.m.
Wow this is some tention! I'm a engine builder myself, and I had my motors in that A class. We all have a job to do day in and day out. Come race time, you have to be prepared mentally and physically. I sit right there when this all took place. I came home sun burnt and exhausted waiting for the verdict. Futrells bike was the last A bike checked. Mr.Dukes measured 8 times, and allowed a second opinion twice. I know a vernier caliper isn't the best tool, but Mr. Dukes didn't give up trying to get consistancy. He was illegal, and I think we all have been a little illegal somewhere. When riders show up with so many bikes there has to be a way to measure and control this problem. Everyone go outside right NOW and see if your power meter on your house doesn't have security tab. We have to gain some control of this a security tab,markings,bar code,etc. or we should just stay on the computer and bitch all day. This class is very expensive for everyone whether we have money or not. Yes Futrells bike had some blinging wheels the day before, so that bike should be checked to. I know several of you, but you dont know me, I know your engine builders and what they do and have done. Lets all find away to meter this. Let me know if this is not the right thing to do, where do you think the term "impound" came from. I think a security tab will be cheap,controlable,and consistant. Yes a little hecktick the first day for officials, but will end this drama and make the racing more consistant and exciting. Futrell's talent will overcome this, he's gifted. But lets get to the bottom of this.
F1R : Jun 02 @ 6:50 a.m.
i know that 4.8cc isn't going to make a huge deal, but it only makes him look more guilty that he switched from the other 250 when word came around of a tear down, whether that bike is legal or not it just doesn't look good for him to pull a switch like that regardless of what the reason was because he was still found guilty.
Bdog : Jun 02 @ 7:33 a.m.
he guilty as hell. BUSTED.
Joeyc : Jun 02 @ 7:52 a.m.
Not sure what to think here
Mxnut128 : Jun 02 @ 9:15 a.m.
If he's gonna cheat, don't you think he'd went bigger than 4.8cc? That probably doesn't equal 1 hp. This sounds a little weird if you ask me. He's fast period. I hope he takes it to them all the ranch!
Motox : Jun 02 @ 9:48 a.m.
Madparent if you and others had photographic evidence that he switched bikes, why didn't you turn the "evidence" over to the AMA official and put an end to it then????
Madparent : Jun 02 @ 10:12 a.m.
We didn't because it was not our protest - it was the track's protest, and he was found ILLEGAL - no need for us to drag more into it - guilty is guilty - punishment was rendered. However, funny you should ask that now - the "other" person with the photographs was contacted today with a request for them, so who knows what's next?
Alphado : Jun 02 @ 10:18 a.m.
I remember back when racing motocross was fun.
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 11:04 a.m.
Ok, Futrell isn't allowed to run multiple bikes now? And Madparent, you were JUST last night stating that you were going to protest him EVERY single race and THEN some. So it sounds like you want to be all in it and you sound like one vindictive, bitter bitch to me. And go ahead and give them your pictures you idiots, because if you would take the time to stop and think though it really ISN'T any of your business seeing as how the officials know the deal, one of Futrell's spokes broke so he CHANGED THE TIRE. Wow, you guys get more and more ridiculous.
Daracer : Jun 02 @ 11:20 a.m.
It's just been going on for way too long,and if a rider can get the start thats his race to loose,the one hour motors meant to win at all cost,we got 70 hrs. on our YZ 450F thats headed to the regional thats our one hour motor. That little extra edge that gets you the start saves a ton of energy over the guy thats having to battle from 16th place or so,and then you get the gate pick over that same guy ,not so fair for the average kid thinking he's been trying real hard and pop's got'em a new bike.We need a disclaimer form at sign up / practice with a witness to what the bike is built and to insure it's the same bike in the right moto / class,or the impound like was suggested. Hot for stock !
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 11:22 a.m.
THAT'S WHY THEY TAKE VIN NUMBERS DUMBASS
Totallystock : Jun 02 @ 11:37 a.m.
the pictures are in the pudding he is riding a bike with black wheel and nice shiny plastic lookin fresh on the cover of the artilcle with him in front of that pack and the bike they tore down was wore out, Mxrider85 so you think cheating is ok what if it was your son out there behind taylor and he had to ride over his head because his bike was legal and got hurt because taylors bike wasnt legal which makes it a whole lot easier for taylor to ride and get good starts on which is pretty much everything at an amatuer race i would like to see that displacement in that engine my self because a 2mm stroke makes around a 260cc or so and that makes a huge difference...
Tbaum : Jun 02 @ 11:37 a.m.
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 11:04 a.m. Ok, Futrell isn't allowed to run multiple bikes now? Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 11:22 a.m. THAT'S WHY THEY TAKE VIN NUMBERS DUMBASS
Kc23 : Jun 02 @ noon
Back to the "Bottom Line", the Futrell's cheated, got caught and should pay the piper. That being said, they shouldn't be allowed to compete for a year. We know that won't happen, so what about being able to qualify for the same class at another Regional? NOT ALLOWED - That probably won't happen either. Maybe there are TWO guilty parties, Team Futrell and the AMA, maybe.
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 12:20 p.m.
Of course totallystock, on Saturday Futrell's bike looked "fresh" and "shiny" because it was the first race.. You know, you just need to stop posting on here because the more you do the dumber you sound. What more do you psycho people want from him? Nobody has made excuses for what happened- he was found out of spec, on purpose or not- he paid for it, now leave it alone. If you guys wanna fork out the money to which obviously isn't gonna be anything to madparent (i.e. Rogers), then fine. I'm sure the Futrell's won't mind it at all. The kid is a dedicated trainer and rider and regardless of what some of you might wanna think now over 4.8cc's. Just let it be.
Childers08 : Jun 02 @ 1:13 p.m.
can people just stop pissing and moaning about it. it was the weekend, 2 days ago. who cares now. its in the past. he was DQ-ed for it, and still won the other 3 classes, so hes in for lorettas. the people that were affected by it, train your butts off so you know you will win.
Baaaambi : Jun 02 @ 1:15 p.m.
yall are some straight up haters who cant mind there own business..you people are treating this like the chris brown and rhianna situation everyone is trying to have a input when really your voice means nothing. all you haters are doing is amping taylor up and giving him more drive and determination to prove everyone wrong. so keep hatin for no reason untill you come to futrells house and spend a day with him then maybe youll understand things better. keepin it hood in CTOWN holla
Berrier183 : Jun 02 @ 1:28 p.m.
if madparent is rogers then you had good bikes and walked away from them at oak hill because anste's were better, now anste is gone and you walked away from a ride
Krogers : Jun 02 @ 2:25 p.m.
Berrier183 and Mxrider85 - Sorry you guys but mad parent is not rogers. And I hate to break it to you Berrier183 Derek did not have good bikes when he rode KTM's. He blew up three during the winter ams and one of the 450's was fresh out of the box. And you are right we did walk away from a ride and we still feel like it was the best decision we ever made.
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 3:02 p.m.
sweet. who cares.
Berrier183 : Jun 02 @ 3:29 p.m.
krogers sorry about that. derek is one of the few riders that can run with futrell
Totallystock : Jun 02 @ 3:31 p.m.
for those of you on here close family and friends of the futrells i no it is hard to believe that they could do wrong like that.. so now we all no he cheated the question he has to answer is why? if he didnt need a cheater bike to win and this bike didnt help any.. the question is why would you run a cheater bike knowing it was illegal..we all no that taylor is an awesome rider but we also no that there is a bunch of awesome riders in that class..so y dont you guys ask mr. futrell why he thought he needed a cheater bike instead of making it sound like it was just a mistake on the motor builder. and deep down inside all of you on here saying it was just a mistake no that it was a really wrong decision and we hope to see what his future has for hi on the legal bike..
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 3:34 p.m.
hahahahaha 4.8cc's you dumb dumb. If he was going the cheat why in the HELL would he just make it 4.8??? Answer that. That makes NO sense what so ever. And anyone in their right mind knows that. So totallystock, just suck it up and take it for what it's worth and go the hell on.
Berrier183 : Jun 02 @ 3:38 p.m.
krogers im glad that you arent madparent because the whole protest at everysingle race is super childish, and that would suck to have the parents of top riders acting like that
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 3:42 p.m.
me too.
Jtl45 : Jun 02 @ 3:45 p.m.
every body haten on taylor needs to quit..either way if u put him on a bone stock bike he will still be out front in the A class..im not saying its right to cheat but who hasent once in there life..and mad parent i think its kind of redundant to protest every time..i mean come on..rly.
Totallystock : Jun 02 @ 3:50 p.m.
its not if he was going to cheat its that he did cheat DUMBASS so like i said quit hatin on every one else and answer why did they cheat DUMBASSSSSSS
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 3:57 p.m.
Totallystock, you're a whiny little bitch. And I'm sure I'm not the only one on here that's sick of you and you're ridiculous comments.. Futrell got caught 4.8cc's over, yes that is true and he has stated that they are having it sent and checked out themselves and if it's wrong they will of course correct it. So why don't you just shut the hell up or tell who you really are. One or the other? Because I'm not gonna quit and I don't mind telling you just who the hell I am.
Totallystock : Jun 02 @ 4 p.m.
well just who r u bud
Totallystock : Jun 02 @ 4:02 p.m.
im glad your not gonna stop the more you write the worse it looks for them cause your the one keeping this whole thing going there mxrider85
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 4:03 p.m.
you first.
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 4:05 p.m.
On the contrary my friend, you are the one TRYING to make the Futrell's look bad and I am just simply standing up for something i firmly believe in. Which is that yous a bitch and i'm ain't.
Totallystock : Jun 02 @ 4:17 p.m.
your not my friend and no im not trying to make futrells look bad they did a good job of that them selves im simply wanting facts yall said he can win with a stock bike i just wanted to no y cheat
255Or310 : Jun 02 @ 4:17 p.m.
i think futrell should just ride a totally stock bike an whoop ass , prove to them homie that you dont need factory shit to beat factory ass's
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 4:19 p.m.
oh, im sorry. Did I hurt your feelings? I really don't care if we're friends or not. I'm not here to make friends or to kiss ass, im just here TO STATE the facts and you just simply don't want to ACCEPT the facts so just back off.
Csbullard : Jun 02 @ 4:56 p.m.
madparent i dont know why your so upset if they would have DQ the top ten your son still wouldnt have won so just get over it!
Berrier183 : Jun 02 @ 5:05 p.m.
totallystock, the futrells dont have to answer to you, they dont have to tell you why, what makes you so special that you deserve an answer?
Childers08 : Jun 02 @ 5:36 p.m.
alphado do you know me.
Childers08 : Jun 02 @ 5:37 p.m.
seriously this all needs to stop. its done and over with. so, who cares now. he got DQ and everyone gained a position from it.
Bean568 : Jun 02 @ 7:39 p.m.
taylor's dad also claims that he not only runs a stock rod but a stock piston. what are the chances of that? those of you that have had mod 250 motors before, from any motor builder, pro circuit, yoshimura, or a smaller shop, how many of them use STOCK pistons? that is bs!
Hondamxer : Jun 02 @ 7:59 p.m.
Bean568 is right on the money. Why would a top rider like futrell not even run and aftermarket piston?
Daracer : Jun 02 @ 8:11 p.m.
Need to shut it down Vurb. this comment session is over.now it's just the DumbAss's trying to show each other up with childish remarks and profanity.
Riverrat : Jun 02 @ 9:19 p.m.
WOW!! R U sure this is not a 50cc forum?? Yep, 277 is fast (bike's hotter than Jessica Simpson) but hell he's been in the A Class for how many years?? Yep, 3 if not 4 (oh that's because he had to move up to the A Class because he got caught riding an Outlaw race in the A (Pro) class while he was an AMA B rider, so he could make MORE money.) Damit boy it sucks when you get caught.MX Motor builders are no different than NASCAR motor builders OR Crew chiefs etc... your not cheating UNTIL you get caught, the rules state one thing BUT if you know how to read the rule book you can bend it certain ways to get things passed. From what I've heard from SEVERAL riders that were there and not all of them were A riders, there were some other riders that stated it too in the B & C classes, AMA did NOT check frame numbers, did not even ask to see the frame numbers. So the AMA is not all that either. As long as you paid your entry fee and so forth and so on. So many people on here stating that he'll beat anyones ass in the A class at anytime? Hum, ask Taylor OR his dad why he did not race on a Saturday just here a few months back @ Rolling Hills, waited unitl Sunday BECAUSE he was NOT going to race what he had in the trailer, wanted his REGIONAL bikes, ya know, the one that's ONLY 4.8 cc's over, remember now, that's not enough to matter, that's not enough to help anyone win right posters. Well, why wait for that bike if it's not enough?? Why spend the time to try to even get it to the edge? Do most strokers crank w/ a kickstarter everytime, or do you have to push them off to get them started, HUM?? Hell I don't know either, just curious. So you mean to tell me out of all of the folks on here that's posting, (seems like most of everyone should know Taylor pretty damn personally by the way their posting) no one knows who he's engine builder is? It's on his bikes and it has 3 initails?? The man can build rockets!!! He knows Taylor's fast without going in and screwing w/ that crap! Oh well, just everyone do as the bumper sticker says : "Shut Up, Strap In & Hang Your Ass On, It's going to be a hell of a ride" Boogady-Boogady-Boogady Let's go racin' Boys!!!!!
255Or310 : Jun 02 @ 9:52 p.m.
i have evidence of fuuuutrell putting a 450f motor in his 250f thats why he switched wheels because the other rim wasnt big enough for that 130 tire . man im good
Pete06504 : Jun 02 @ 10:18 p.m.
i say STFU and let the rest of the season show who's son is the better rider. 4.8cc is about as much difference as me running a different sprocket and tire. Taylor is a good guy and i know for a fact he works his ass off because he's NEVER! home. oh by the way i dnt no anything about riding a dirt bike i ride quads thanks. your friendly neighborhood shade tree mechanic. does anyone no where i can get a set of proarmor foot pegs for TRX 450R? well i know were i can get the funding janedoe/madparent would you help me out so i can smoke your son on a 245.2cc i'll give him the 4.8cc
Mxrider85 : Jun 02 @ 10:41 p.m.
hahaha hey pete, you sound like an awesome guy. Let me get your digits.
Hookem22 : Jun 02 @ 10:44 p.m.
I thought it was stated that the 4.8cc wasn't the only cheating that was noticed. It was just the only cheating that was allowed in the protest. So.... Everyone's focused on the 4.8 overbore. They're right. That would be negligible. But, with the other possible engine mods????
Alphado : Jun 03 @ 5:55 a.m.
In a buildin' tall with a stone wall around there's a rubber room When a man sees things and hears sounds that's not there He's headed for the rubber room Illusions in a twisted mind to save from self-destruction hmm it's the rubber room Where a man can run into the wall till his strenght makes him fall and lie still And wait for help in the rubber room From his blurry vision of doom a psycho in the rubber room The man in the room right next to mine screams a woman's name hits the wall in vain He's in the rubber room I hear footsteps poundin' on the floor God I hope they don't stop at my door Hmm I'm in the rubber room Now they've come to get me but they find I'm a screamin' pretty words tryin' to make 'em rhyme I'm n the rubber room hmm a psycho I'm in the rubber room hmm
Hondamxer : Jun 03 @ 10:35 a.m.
Riverrat, ive got 307 stroker/big bore motor and it cranks on the first kick!!!!
Vinceg : Jun 03 @ 1:38 p.m.
This is what happens when a bunch of people try to live vicariously through their kids. Get over it. There is no debate. He was illegal at this race. At previous races, you will never know? Just let it go. Give the kid a break.
Mxnut128 : Jun 03 @ 2:36 p.m.
Bean568 I think it was the stock 250 class and not the Pro-Sport(Modified) class that he got DQ in. So no aftermarket engine parts are allowed.
Mxfan199 : Jun 03 @ 4:33 p.m.
fact is he was still disqualified for CHEATING! his idol must be A-ROD or something...cheaters never prosper...no matter what excuse they have!
Bean568 : Jun 03 @ 6:20 p.m.
All "A" classes in ama amateur racing are considered modified. Both the 250A and 250A/Pro Sport classes are mod classes.
Runnin333 : Jun 03 @ 6:35 p.m.
Vinceg: you are soooooo right! Too many parents live through their kids, and maybe Taylor didn't even know his bike was moded out of specs? Maybe his parents are pushing way too much?
Valcomms : Jun 03 @ 8:55 p.m.
I sure hope they dont protest Factory Campo at the Angel Fire Nationals this weekend.....I heard he's running a cheater motor so he can whip up on Stallo...just how BIG is that motor Campo. Heard the boy's at Valcom made it HUGE
Pete06504 : Jun 03 @ 10:39 p.m.
i herd he's gonna start runnin 1300 busa motors
Audiomaster : Jun 04 @ 7:42 a.m.
R75 Says . I was there! I saw the race ! I saw Futrell and Smith put on a school on how to ride . If the AMA is going to teardown motors dose the AMA put up the protest fee and if they do , do the riders of legal motors get to keep the protest fee. Cant we make a tester that dosnt require the motor to be taken apart one that connects to the spark plug hole and measures the volume in the motor.Then all the bikes can be tested in a post race test . Even with a little bit bigger motor Taylor was still the fastest rider at Mill Creek .
Mxrider85 : Jun 04 @ 12:21 p.m.
It's about time this died down.
Mxer718 : Jun 04 @ 7:32 p.m.
wait till he gets to sx/outdoor nationals he will get dealt with no matter what engine he has in his bike!!! mark my words!!!!
Chance : Jun 05 @ 7:10 a.m.
Nah, I say the kid rolls...if he gets support that is.
Dmxs1 : Jun 07 @ 6:46 p.m.
great job vurb
Motomechanic : Jun 08 @ 9:18 p.m.
What a comical forum we have here.This all stems from one simple fact! AMA is not doing it's job.If AMA would have emplimented tear downs in recent history(whats it been,about 4 yrs) this would have not been a problem.They have been slack on teardowns and it has created a Monster.Parents that need there kids to make it will do whatever it takes to win.Most of you forget the big picture that these kids go on to make millions and if AMA is not gonna police it then the parents will do whatever they can to make sure they make it.I by no means THINK all parents do that and thats what creates a big argument.(ok...enough of that rant)..Allright now to the Futrell issue.I have know this kid for many years.All the way back to 65's.So you can say him and i have history.I would hope that he knew nothing about the motor but i can promise you one thing.V.P.E would have not built that motor without the consent of him or his father.I know that for a fact.Fred is a outstanding engine builder and knows his buisness and would not put his name on the line for such a act.Now his name is also being smashed.What a shame.All of the Futrell Groupies forget that Taylor qualified on a bike that was walking the dog by a mile on starts and when he heard of the teardowns he swapped to a completely different bike(again another AMA fault for not checking vin#'s.).He also did this at another event when he was getting outrun by 2 sec's a lap in practice and refused to race untill his regonal bikes showed up,which a guy drove all night long to bring him.I'm not bashing Taylor's ability to ride but only his honesty.You guys can't tell me that he didn't know about the motors.The more i write the more i remember.I commend Mr.Dukes for stanading up and stating the facts and for all the ones that do not know......Taylor was DQ'ED FROM BOTH CLASSES!
Chrisfutrell : Jun 09 @ 10:11 p.m.
Attention: Madparent & Motomechanic, I post my comments, unlike you, with my real name for all to see. You are both cowards and spineless people. If you know me so well, then reveal your identity. I/We have nothing to hide and never have. You are the same people that we have always helped at the track, when the need arises. But you turn around and crucify us the first chance you get. I would never say anything here now that I wouldn't say to you in person.. And about your comment in reference to the mill creek race, and on swapping bikes, you are obviously an idiot and I would HATE to have you as a mechanic. Considering the fact that we got one hole shot out of 12 motos and it was on a 450. So, get your facts straight, know what you are talking about and quit hidding behind your screennames, motomechanic and madparent. My name is Chris Futrell, we have NOTHING to hide. See you at the races..
Motomechanic : Jun 11 @ 9:26 a.m.
Terry(aka-T-Bone) Devinney..!
Csbullard : Jun 11 @ 2:24 p.m.
t-bone this is taylor's mechanic an if you knew half of what you thought you did you would be dangerous!
Mitchpriehs : Jun 13 @ 12:08 a.m.
hahahahaha i have never seen a group of adults act so hilariously ridiculous about one rider and one moto. i mean seriously, i'm cracking up over here. i thought this only happened at my highschool. Cheating= Cheating. But, is it TRUELY neccessary to act like a 12 year old about it and call people names? Aren't you all supposed to be.. oh i dunno... SETTING THE EXAMPLE for your kids? This is not a very good way of showing your kids good sportsmanship. Neither by cheating, nor by cursing out your opponent. I don't agree with the fact that he cheated, but atleast they did something about it instead of just letting it slip right on by. So why is everyone still so pissed off?
Mitchpriehs : Jun 13 @ 12:09 a.m.
and this is not mitch.. this is his daughter.
Rmracer193 : Jun 16 @ 11:18 a.m.
wow guys, come down hard on the futrells because they ran a motor that was 4.8 cc over. Larry Dukes said it was not the most accurate measuring device either. 4.8 cc is not going to make a difference when everyone else has bikes that have all the motor work done to them without making them illegal. If futrell really wanted to cheat then why didnt he have a big bore?? and why was he still running a stock piston?? Were they DQ'ed yes. But only in one class motomechanic. And to protest him at every single race? really? how about getting faster so you can beat him! He won everysingle moto except one in his other classes. Taylors a great rider and has worked hard to get where he's at. Why not leave him alone and worry about yourself. This is an important part in his amatuer career just let him worry about whats to come!
Richardgreen : Jun 16 @ 3:22 p.m.
give em hell taylor futtrell you are the man
255Or310 : Jun 18 @ 6:55 p.m.
Anybody have any bouncy balls ?

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